Comments on: www.BeWelcome.info – the real background! http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/ The campaign for a truly open CouchSurfing organisation Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:00:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sirlatrom http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-128013 sirlatrom Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:19:21 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-128013 Ouch, this is ugly... But at least it's out in the open. Ouch, this is ugly… But at least it’s out in the open.

]]> By: Death of Hospitality Club at OpenCouchSurfing.org http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-85496 Death of Hospitality Club at OpenCouchSurfing.org Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:58:19 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-85496 [...] could pretty much figure out by Veit’s unguided flame against BeWelcome last year, that his income through adds were already dropping on Hospitality Club [...] [...] could pretty much figure out by Veit’s unguided flame against BeWelcome last year, that his income through adds were already dropping on Hospitality Club [...]

]]> By: zak0r http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-48719 zak0r Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:14:55 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-48719 the whole cs and hc scheme pivot around the same concept: rather hefty failures in "normal life" who had the brilliant idea of building their own little universe providing money and pussy otherwise unobtainable to the "visionary leaders" by luring idealistic people into their scam, manifesting their position with censorship and misinformation whilst supressing any open debate and peer review. speaking of misinformation and censorshit, why didnt babso post anything here yet? is it because he is not able to delete postings at will? hey babso, where are you right now? are you back to the baltics to be a jock and get pussy that you cant get at home? or is it china this time? after all, playing the "i am a loser at home but over here i can be cool and finally get some pussy" game is even easier there! maybe you should give it a try. the whole cs and hc scheme pivot around the same concept: rather hefty failures in “normal life” who had the brilliant idea of building their own little universe providing money and pussy otherwise unobtainable to the “visionary leaders” by luring idealistic people into their scam, manifesting their position with censorship and misinformation whilst supressing any open debate and peer review.
speaking of misinformation and censorshit, why didnt babso post anything here yet?
is it because he is not able to delete postings at will?
hey babso, where are you right now? are you back to the baltics to be a jock and get pussy that you cant get at home? or is it china this time? after all, playing the “i am a loser at home but over here i can be cool and finally get some pussy” game is even easier there! maybe you should give it a try.

]]> By: Mojo Doppio http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-48657 Mojo Doppio Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:51:33 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-48657 I remember reading about the internal rot, message snooping, and dictatorial nature of Veit, several years ago. Here's an observation - if people were happy (enough) with the level of transparency including finances, at HC, then what motivated anyone to start an entirely new project like BW? I've made some great friends through BW, and if nothing else, their interface is clean and fresh, and from the start, it seems like they want to be more transparent than any of the alternatives, right down to open-sourcing the software, which is a big deal in my book. Haven't noticed any pleas for money either, nor any games to sell "badges" for a fee. It seems to me, from reading all the reports and comments on several sites, that both HC and CS have always had as an unstated mission a goal of building power and/or money for the founder. Megalomania never goes over well with me. I see Veit and Casey as two sides of the same coin. I remember reading about the internal rot, message snooping, and dictatorial nature of Veit, several years ago. Here’s an observation – if people were happy (enough) with the level of transparency including finances, at HC, then what motivated anyone to start an entirely new project like BW?

I’ve made some great friends through BW, and if nothing else, their interface is clean and fresh, and from the start, it seems like they want to be more transparent than any of the alternatives, right down to open-sourcing the software, which is a big deal in my book. Haven’t noticed any pleas for money either, nor any games to sell “badges” for a fee.

It seems to me, from reading all the reports and comments on several sites, that both HC and CS have always had as an unstated mission a goal of building power and/or money for the founder.

Megalomania never goes over well with me. I see Veit and Casey as two sides of the same coin.

]]> By: Alex http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-45424 Alex Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:30:33 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-45424 Veit, does this mean that you will be sharing all revenues you personally get from your google ads, in your 'reuniting' of the hospitality groups? Publish all the finances and how much money you are making, let people know it is your benefit alone, and then maybe people will trust you enough to pay attention to you. ELse, this is very funny! Veit, does this mean that you will be sharing all revenues you personally get from your google ads, in your ‘reuniting’ of the hospitality groups?

Publish all the finances and how much money you are making, let people know it is your benefit alone, and then maybe people will trust you enough to pay attention to you.

ELse, this is very funny!

]]> By: Diederik http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-45218 Diederik Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:44:19 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-45218 Naughty naughty ;) Naughty naughty ;)

]]> By: Kasper Souren http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-45212 Kasper Souren Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:30:15 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-45212 Free licenses makes leadership less important. Linus Torvalds is the so-called dictator of the Linux kernel, but if he would start making silly decisions someone else would be (legally) able to take over in no time. With social networks this is less simple, but anyone is free to add XML export functionality, OAuth, OpenID and more open goodness to BW Rox and it is likely to make it to BeWelcome.org. P.S. Diederik, didn't you check before submitting? ;) Free licenses makes leadership less important. Linus Torvalds is the so-called dictator of the Linux kernel, but if he would start making silly decisions someone else would be (legally) able to take over in no time.

With social networks this is less simple, but anyone is free to add XML export functionality, OAuth, OpenID and more open goodness to BW Rox and it is likely to make it to BeWelcome.org.

P.S. Diederik, didn’t you check before submitting? ;)

]]> By: Irony http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-45182 Irony Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:55:44 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-45182 Time to start OpenBW.org! Veit, I recall you posting on the HC website a while ago asking for people to click on Google Ads because "it was fun". There's probably some truth in what you have to say. People in power want to stay in power - be it HC, CS or BW. That's why I think that BW isn't as successful as they envisioned - because BW is just another "Animal Farm" ie. a new government but are they really any better? But hey, here's an idea. If BeWelcome is open source, why not incorporate their template as HC's new template? The strength of HC is in the large member database. So get over this competition for hospitality and just try to be the best that you can be. Time to start OpenBW.org!

Veit,

I recall you posting on the HC website a while ago asking for people to click on Google Ads because “it was fun”.

There’s probably some truth in what you have to say. People in power want to stay in power – be it HC, CS or BW. That’s why I think that BW isn’t as successful as they envisioned – because BW is just another “Animal Farm” ie. a new government but are they really any better?

But hey, here’s an idea. If BeWelcome is open source, why not incorporate their template as HC’s new template? The strength of HC is in the large member database. So get over this competition for hospitality and just try to be the best that you can be.

]]> By: Diederik http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-45128 Diederik Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:24:02 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-45128 I was at the point to claim that opencouchsurfing.org was dead and buried. Seems not to be the case :) Lets register openhospitalityclub.org :) I was at the point to claim that opencouchsurfing.org was dead and buried. Seems not to be the case :)

Lets register openhospitalityclub.org :)

]]> By: midsch http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-45120 midsch Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:47:43 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-45120 Or here: https://www.bewelcome.org/forums/s522-www.bewelcome.info Or here: https://www.bewelcome.org/forums/s522-www.bewelcome.info

]]> By: Kasper Souren http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-45114 Kasper Souren Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:20:53 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-45114 Even more good stuff at <a href="http://www.bevolunteer.org/forum/index.php?topic=1668.0" rel="nofollow">the BeVolunteer forum</a>. Even more good stuff at the BeVolunteer forum.

]]> By: zak0r http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-45100 zak0r Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:36:03 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-45100 this is good stuff this is good stuff

]]> By: Kasper Souren http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-45060 Kasper Souren Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:34:17 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-45060 Veit, my "relentless attacks" consist mainly of mentioning the lack of an official organization for HC and the censorship of both private messages and the forum. Especially regarding the first issue, I understand that you have been personally and financially hurt by people reading about this. And it seems that this mostly started with my blog posts almost 3 years ago, to which you even responded by a cease-and-desist. Maybe you can enlighten us about the organizational status of HC and the censorship within HC instead. Maybe we can even reunite the community some day if this sorted out... Veit, my “relentless attacks” consist mainly of mentioning the lack of an official organization for HC and the censorship of both private messages and the forum. Especially regarding the first issue, I understand that you have been personally and financially hurt by people reading about this. And it seems that this mostly started with my blog posts almost 3 years ago, to which you even responded by a cease-and-desist.

Maybe you can enlighten us about the organizational status of HC and the censorship within HC instead. Maybe we can even reunite the community some day if this sorted out…

]]> By: veit http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-44822 veit Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:06:44 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-44822 Yes, Callum, would love to do that exclusively (and am doing it most of the time). But BW and folks like Kasper have relentlessly attacked HC, which does lead to volunteers leaving sometimes, so we had to put our side of the story out there so people can make up their own mind. Yes, Callum, would love to do that exclusively (and am doing it most of the time). But BW and folks like Kasper have relentlessly attacked HC, which does lead to volunteers leaving sometimes, so we had to put our side of the story out there so people can make up their own mind.

]]> By: Callum http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-44573 Callum Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:44:37 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-44573 Veit, you have done some great work with Hospitality Club. I hope that the organisation continues to connect people all over the world. I hope that you continue to focus on that. I think spending time to "sabotage" or "gain control of" another organisation, which by your own admission is small, is surely wasted effort. If you refocus that effort on creating more connections with Hospitality Club, I wonder what magic you could create. Veit, you have done some great work with Hospitality Club. I hope that the organisation continues to connect people all over the world. I hope that you continue to focus on that.

I think spending time to “sabotage” or “gain control of” another organisation, which by your own admission is small, is surely wasted effort. If you refocus that effort on creating more connections with Hospitality Club, I wonder what magic you could create.

]]> By: veit http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-44406 veit Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:45:12 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-44406 Just wanted to make sure your ego doesnt deflate too much. Glad to see you caught that as the most important thing on the page. Just wanted to make sure your ego doesnt deflate too much. Glad to see you caught that as the most important thing on the page.

]]> By: Kasper Souren http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-43951 Kasper Souren Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:21:08 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-43951 I find it funny that I'm portrayed as the main character. I've never even been an HC volunteer... I find it funny that I’m portrayed as the main character. I’ve never even been an HC volunteer…

]]> By: robino http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-43870 robino Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:42:34 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-43870 nice :) funny to see how vertical Veit mind works (in reference to Kasper&Co) see here answers to some of the questions that our lovely Veit raises. http://www.bevolunteer.org/forum/index.php?topic=1153.msg8229#msg8229 nice :)

funny to see how vertical Veit mind works (in reference to Kasper&Co)

see here answers to some of the questions that our lovely Veit raises. http://www.bevolunteer.org/forum/index.php?topic=1153.msg8229#msg8229

]]> By: markus http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/09/26/wwwbewelcomeinfo-the-real-background/comment-page-1/#comment-43417 markus Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:36:42 +0000 http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/?p=228#comment-43417 Wow. Veit is defending CS ... so maybe you're not as bad as the bad OCS/OHC guys always say;) Oh, and a question: Should other "main characters" apply for your page as you "concentrate so hard on the real work"? Do one only qualify only as an former hc-volunteer or is someone who never was a member of hc is similar bad? Just for your interest (the domain is linked to a page of a HC-Volunteer-Wiki): Domain ID:D18002859-LRMS Domain Name:BEWELCOME.INFO Created On:24-May-2007 04:06:53 UTC Last Updated On:24-May-2008 00:54:43 UTC Expiration Date:24-May-2009 04:06:53 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com Inc. (R171-LRMS) Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED Registrant ID:GODA-032649094 Registrant Name:Veit Kuehne Registrant Organization: Registrant Street1:Augustusweg 59 Registrant City:Radebeul Registrant Postal Code:01445 Registrant Country:DE Registrant Phone:+49.01737749365 Registrant Email:veit@hospitalityclub.org Admin ID:GODA-232649094 Admin Name:Veit Kuehne Admin Organization: Admin Street1:Augustusweg 59 Admin City:Radebeul Admin State/Province: Admin Postal Code:01445 Admin Country:DE Admin Phone:+49.01737749365 Admin Email:veit@hospitalityclub.org Billing ID:GODA-332649094 Billing Name:Veit Kuehne Billing Organization: Billing Street1:Augustusweg 59 Billing Street2: Billing Street3: Billing City:Radebeul Billing State/Province: Billing Postal Code:01445 Billing Country:DE Billing Phone:+49.01737749365 Billing Email:veit@hospitalityclub.org Tech ID:GODA-132649094 Tech Name:Veit Kuehne Tech Organization: Tech Street1:Augustusweg 59 Tech City:Radebeul Tech State/Province: Tech Postal Code:01445 Tech Country:DE Tech Phone:+49.01737749365 Tech Phone Ext.: Tech FAX: Tech FAX Ext.: Tech Email:veit@hospitalityclub.org Name Server:NS49.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Name Server:NS50.DOMAINCONTROL.COM Wow. Veit is defending CS … so maybe you’re not as bad as the bad OCS/OHC guys always say;)

Oh, and a question: Should other “main characters” apply for your page as you “concentrate so hard on the real work”?

Do one only qualify only as an former hc-volunteer or is someone who never was a member of hc is similar bad?

Just for your interest (the domain is linked to a page of a HC-Volunteer-Wiki):

Domain ID:D18002859-LRMS
Domain Name:BEWELCOME.INFO
Created On:24-May-2007 04:06:53 UTC
Last Updated On:24-May-2008 00:54:43 UTC
Expiration Date:24-May-2009 04:06:53 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com Inc. (R171-LRMS)
Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:GODA-032649094
Registrant Name:Veit Kuehne
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street1:Augustusweg 59
Registrant City:Radebeul
Registrant Postal Code:01445
Registrant Country:DE
Registrant Phone:+49.01737749365
Registrant Email:veit@hospitalityclub.org
Admin ID:GODA-232649094
Admin Name:Veit Kuehne
Admin Organization:
Admin Street1:Augustusweg 59
Admin City:Radebeul
Admin State/Province:
Admin Postal Code:01445
Admin Country:DE
Admin Phone:+49.01737749365
Admin Email:veit@hospitalityclub.org
Billing ID:GODA-332649094
Billing Name:Veit Kuehne
Billing Organization:
Billing Street1:Augustusweg 59
Billing Street2:
Billing Street3:
Billing City:Radebeul
Billing State/Province:
Billing Postal Code:01445
Billing Country:DE
Billing Phone:+49.01737749365
Billing Email:veit@hospitalityclub.org
Tech ID:GODA-132649094
Tech Name:Veit Kuehne
Tech Organization:
Tech Street1:Augustusweg 59
Tech City:Radebeul
Tech State/Province:
Tech Postal Code:01445
Tech Country:DE
Tech Phone:+49.01737749365
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech Email:veit@hospitalityclub.org
Name Server:NS49.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
Name Server:NS50.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

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