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	<title>Comments on: Trust circles, reputation and the perception of trust.</title>
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		<title>By: Monolita</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-9357</link>
		<dc:creator>Monolita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since my posts have been quoted twice on this page and i only came to know about it when someone referred me to this page, i just want to clarify a few things.

&lt;b&gt;cloak and dagger&lt;/b&gt;: you gotta be kidding me if you do not know how many things are not shared with the general public in CS under the guise of Safety. there is a whole confidentiality agreement which i disagree with thoroughly when it hampers effective dissemination of relevant information which can be used to arm members against possible dangers. i have no clue what the legal standpoint on this could be, but i can quite assume that it may be serious, if some situation happens in my country for example and CS&#039;s names are splashed all over the front pages. However, I am talking about some reforms of certain systems which should somewhat be able to strengthen security measures and I want them to happen and effectively nullify certain elements who have majorly undermined safety and security issues regarding women in my country. I hope they do, and I know that if they come to know of some of these measures they are going to try and go around it &lt;b&gt;(buck the system)&lt;/b&gt;, as they have done before. I do not want that, and so I am not shouting from the top of my roof about them. I hope that clarifies my post and ends the need to read too much between lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since my posts have been quoted twice on this page and i only came to know about it when someone referred me to this page, i just want to clarify a few things.</p>
<p><b>cloak and dagger</b>: you gotta be kidding me if you do not know how many things are not shared with the general public in CS under the guise of Safety. there is a whole confidentiality agreement which i disagree with thoroughly when it hampers effective dissemination of relevant information which can be used to arm members against possible dangers. i have no clue what the legal standpoint on this could be, but i can quite assume that it may be serious, if some situation happens in my country for example and CS&#8217;s names are splashed all over the front pages. However, I am talking about some reforms of certain systems which should somewhat be able to strengthen security measures and I want them to happen and effectively nullify certain elements who have majorly undermined safety and security issues regarding women in my country. I hope they do, and I know that if they come to know of some of these measures they are going to try and go around it <b>(buck the system)</b>, as they have done before. I do not want that, and so I am not shouting from the top of my roof about them. I hope that clarifies my post and ends the need to read too much between lines.</p>
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		<title>By: valeri</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-8154</link>
		<dc:creator>valeri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My interest is purely in safety. 

that&#039;s the bottomline.

The worst thing i can imagine is for a trust network to be perverted so that ppl let down their guard because there is supposedly trust (friendships/vouches/refs) .. and in fact it is UNtrustworthy people on there who have formed their own subnets or otherwise gamed the system. That&#039;s the reason for appropriate safeguards, or reasonable guidelines, and as we know from computing, hiding everything is not the best way to attain security.

As an aside, i can&#039;t tell that anything has been deleted - if threads have been, please post them! Let&#039;s not get caught up in meaningless tangles.. what we want are trust networks that live up to their potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My interest is purely in safety. </p>
<p>that&#8217;s the bottomline.</p>
<p>The worst thing i can imagine is for a trust network to be perverted so that ppl let down their guard because there is supposedly trust (friendships/vouches/refs) .. and in fact it is UNtrustworthy people on there who have formed their own subnets or otherwise gamed the system. That&#8217;s the reason for appropriate safeguards, or reasonable guidelines, and as we know from computing, hiding everything is not the best way to attain security.</p>
<p>As an aside, i can&#8217;t tell that anything has been deleted &#8211; if threads have been, please post them! Let&#8217;s not get caught up in meaningless tangles.. what we want are trust networks that live up to their potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Daz</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-8131</link>
		<dc:creator>Daz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey thanks for that Greg!!. Looks like 29a jumped the gun . Look like there are trust issues on all sides lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey thanks for that Greg!!. Looks like 29a jumped the gun . Look like there are trust issues on all sides lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-8117</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, people! Whoooa!!!

Firstly, it could be just that I&#039;m tired and sleepy but I can&#039;t make much sense out of this post. I find it rambling, poorly written, and just plain crazy-making! 

Secondly, maybe I&#039;m missing the profile/personal link somewhere but these comments and the post itself were written anonymously, correct? 

Finally, I&#039;ve have followed that &quot;Security issues - it&#039;s dangerous to sweep things under the rug!!&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.couchsurfing.com/group_read.html?gid=429&amp;post=743244&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thread&lt;/a&gt; quite closely, yet do not recall one single post from Little Green Hobbit. Perhaps there&#039;s some confusion with the &quot;Sim[p]le as FUCK!&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.couchsurfing.com/group_read.html?gid=429&amp;post=792892&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thread&lt;/a&gt; where she &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; post twice. Where you find that &quot;rachel deleted a couple of posts&quot; in the group, however, is waaay beyond me.

Personally, I&#039;m glad to see other members of the Safety Team (LGH and Anick-Marie) popping in and taking an interest. Isn&#039;t that what we&#039;re asking for? What all well-intentioned Couchers are asking for? Well, at least I know that&#039;s what &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; am asking for. For all the screaming I&#039;ve done, I appreciate the fact that at least my voice is being heard. What happens to whatever message that voice is carrying, however, is not within my control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, people! Whoooa!!!</p>
<p>Firstly, it could be just that I&#8217;m tired and sleepy but I can&#8217;t make much sense out of this post. I find it rambling, poorly written, and just plain crazy-making! </p>
<p>Secondly, maybe I&#8217;m missing the profile/personal link somewhere but these comments and the post itself were written anonymously, correct? </p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;ve have followed that &#8220;Security issues &#8211; it&#8217;s dangerous to sweep things under the rug!!&#8221; <a href="http://www.couchsurfing.com/group_read.html?gid=429&amp;post=743244" rel="nofollow">thread</a> quite closely, yet do not recall one single post from Little Green Hobbit. Perhaps there&#8217;s some confusion with the &#8220;Sim[p]le as FUCK!&#8221; <a href="http://www.couchsurfing.com/group_read.html?gid=429&amp;post=792892" rel="nofollow">thread</a> where she <i>does</i> post twice. Where you find that &#8220;rachel deleted a couple of posts&#8221; in the group, however, is waaay beyond me.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m glad to see other members of the Safety Team (LGH and Anick-Marie) popping in and taking an interest. Isn&#8217;t that what we&#8217;re asking for? What all well-intentioned Couchers are asking for? Well, at least I know that&#8217;s what <i>I</i> am asking for. For all the screaming I&#8217;ve done, I appreciate the fact that at least my voice is being heard. What happens to whatever message that voice is carrying, however, is not within my control.</p>
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		<title>By: Pickwick</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-8107</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do those deleted posts contain personal information or allegations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do those deleted posts contain personal information or allegations?</p>
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		<title>By: Daz</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-8106</link>
		<dc:creator>Daz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>29a could you please send me those posts which were deleted send it to srandall at yahoo[dot]co[dot]uk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>29a could you please send me those posts which were deleted send it to srandall at yahoo[dot]co[dot]uk.</p>
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		<title>By: tgoorden</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-8101</link>
		<dc:creator>tgoorden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@29a
If you want to make a record of what got deleted, the OCS Wiki would be a good place to do it.

It looks like the new safety team members are getting up to speed! This is going to be so much fun... NOT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@29a<br />
If you want to make a record of what got deleted, the OCS Wiki would be a good place to do it.</p>
<p>It looks like the new safety team members are getting up to speed! This is going to be so much fun&#8230; NOT.</p>
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		<title>By: 29a</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-8082</link>
		<dc:creator>29a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now lets do some back tracking Anick-Marie Bouchard &amp; Little Green Hobbit(Kalliope Tsouroupidou )from the safety team were following the thread “Security issues - it’s dangerous to sweep things under the rug!!” and all of Little Green Hobbit(Kalliope Tsouroupidou) have been deleted from the thread  :). Also i can see 4 threads deleted. 
The words (cloak-and-dagger - conducted with or marked by hidden aims or methods; “clandestine intelligence operations”) seems to be making sense now :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now lets do some back tracking Anick-Marie Bouchard &amp; Little Green Hobbit(Kalliope Tsouroupidou )from the safety team were following the thread “Security issues &#8211; it’s dangerous to sweep things under the rug!!” and all of Little Green Hobbit(Kalliope Tsouroupidou) have been deleted from the thread  <img src='http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Also i can see 4 threads deleted.<br />
The words (cloak-and-dagger &#8211; conducted with or marked by hidden aims or methods; “clandestine intelligence operations”) seems to be making sense now <img src='http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 29a</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-8080</link>
		<dc:creator>29a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah looks like rachel deleted a couple of posts from &quot;Security issues - it&#039;s dangerous to sweep things under the rug!!&quot; Definitely sweeping it under the rug :). One dumb thing they forgot .The proof is there in 100&#039;s of mail boxes. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Posted by Monolita from Cochin, India 
I had posted something yesterday and i am sure i saw it posted and now i do not see it...i am very difficult to shut up, so i will post it again...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Blocked Site Error.
http://www.couchsurfing.com/group_read.html?gid=429&amp;post=743244 is not available in the Wayback Machine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah looks like rachel deleted a couple of posts from &#8220;Security issues &#8211; it&#8217;s dangerous to sweep things under the rug!!&#8221; Definitely sweeping it under the rug <img src='http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . One dumb thing they forgot .The proof is there in 100&#8242;s of mail boxes. </p>
<blockquote><p>Posted by Monolita from Cochin, India<br />
I had posted something yesterday and i am sure i saw it posted and now i do not see it&#8230;i am very difficult to shut up, so i will post it again&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Blocked Site Error.<br />
<a href="http://www.couchsurfing.com/group_read.html?gid=429&#038;post=743244" rel="nofollow">http://www.couchsurfing.com/group_read.html?gid=429&#038;post=743244</a> is not available in the Wayback Machine</p>
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		<title>By: Daz</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-7998</link>
		<dc:creator>Daz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the fear of being compromised is just making the trust and goodwill shared between csers worse. This fear is on the verge of paranoia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the fear of being compromised is just making the trust and goodwill shared between csers worse. This fear is on the verge of paranoia.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2008/03/11/trust-circles-reputation-and-the-perception-of-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-7992</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I understand much of what you posted, 29a, but I think that CS would be perceived as more trustworthy if the managers adopted higher standards of professionalism and responsiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand much of what you posted, 29a, but I think that CS would be perceived as more trustworthy if the managers adopted higher standards of professionalism and responsiveness.</p>
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