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	<title>Comments on: CouchSurfing NDA Lessons</title>
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		<title>By: azarethroy</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2007/08/23/couchsurfing-nda-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>azarethroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important to remember (for the future that is) that a written contract always holds more weight than a verbal one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to remember (for the future that is) that a written contract always holds more weight than a verbal one.</p>
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		<title>By: Anu</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2007/08/23/couchsurfing-nda-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator>Anu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it IS silly to sign something you dont believe in, yes. Yet there are members in the tech team who pretty much told anyone who doesnt like the new draft to shut up and walk away or else blindly trust the leaders to not take the doc u signed too seriously, in case u DO end up breaching it. Which I think is even sillier. (consequently, the discussion along those lines was the final catalyst for many developers to walk away)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it IS silly to sign something you dont believe in, yes. Yet there are members in the tech team who pretty much told anyone who doesnt like the new draft to shut up and walk away or else blindly trust the leaders to not take the doc u signed too seriously, in case u DO end up breaching it. Which I think is even sillier. (consequently, the discussion along those lines was the final catalyst for many developers to walk away)</p>
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		<title>By: Kasper</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2007/08/23/couchsurfing-nda-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>Kasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good thinking, have you ever met Casey?

If you know him for a longer time you know that he regularly raises false expectations (like &quot;we&#039;re working on a better NDA&quot;) and makes false promises (&quot;the 501c3 will be filed practically tomorrow&quot;).

I myself struck through the ugliest parts of the NDA (the software patent one) and thought that striking through would help with speeding up the process of getting a new one. The legality of the whole document becomes questionable when things are striked with a ballpoint.

I also never asked anybody else to sign the NDA. Many people who came to Nelson did some (or a whole lot) of work without ever signing an NDA. This could actually be a problem in the future, since CS obviously doesn&#039;t own the copyright for these changes. However, all these people would have happily signed an NDA without a zombie or slave clause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good thinking, have you ever met Casey?</p>
<p>If you know him for a longer time you know that he regularly raises false expectations (like &#8220;we&#8217;re working on a better NDA&#8221;) and makes false promises (&#8220;the 501c3 will be filed practically tomorrow&#8221;).</p>
<p>I myself struck through the ugliest parts of the NDA (the software patent one) and thought that striking through would help with speeding up the process of getting a new one. The legality of the whole document becomes questionable when things are striked with a ballpoint.</p>
<p>I also never asked anybody else to sign the NDA. Many people who came to Nelson did some (or a whole lot) of work without ever signing an NDA. This could actually be a problem in the future, since CS obviously doesn&#8217;t own the copyright for these changes. However, all these people would have happily signed an NDA without a zombie or slave clause.</p>
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		<title>By: good thinking</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2007/08/23/couchsurfing-nda-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>good thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think there’s an important lesson for volunteers to learn here. Don’t sign unless you’re happy with what you’re signing.&quot;

Um, yeah, this seems like a no-brainer, right?  Signing a document that you don&#039;t agree with seems like a very silly idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think there’s an important lesson for volunteers to learn here. Don’t sign unless you’re happy with what you’re signing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, yeah, this seems like a no-brainer, right?  Signing a document that you don&#8217;t agree with seems like a very silly idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Callum</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2007/08/23/couchsurfing-nda-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Callum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John: I agree, no point in regretting what&#039;s past. I also don&#039;t regret going to NZ to the collective or any of the other work I&#039;ve done for CS. You learn or you die, period! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John: I agree, no point in regretting what&#8217;s past. I also don&#8217;t regret going to NZ to the collective or any of the other work I&#8217;ve done for CS. You learn or you die, period! <img src='http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: matrixpoint</title>
		<link>http://www.opencouchsurfing.org/2007/08/23/couchsurfing-nda-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>matrixpoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S., I think I have learned something from my CS experience.

A few days ago in bewelcome.org, I saw something that looked like top-down control. I may have become jaded by my experience in CS, having come to expect the worst. I may have over-reacted by publicly expressing my concern, because I&#039;m hypersensitive now to anything resembling CS management style. 

But I&#039;m glad I did, because of what it revealed about BW. Within hours I got a personal email from one of the members of the Board of Directors. It was very supportive, sharing my concern, reaffirming the democratic values of BW, and informing me that an inquiry would be immediately launched. Within a few more hours there was extensive communication between myself and the 3 other people involved. They each wrote detailed explanations, gave clarifications, expressed regret for things not communicated clearly or done properly, all with a very professional, respectful and even friendly tone. The matter was completely resolved within a day.

Good grief: to think what I put up with in CS! But because of that, I have such great appreciation for BW now, and a growing loyalty to them. It&#039;s rare to find such quality in the world these days. But I shouldn&#039;t be too surprised. Many of the BW&#039;ers had painful lessons in HC like I did in CS. So, maybe together now, we won&#039;t get fooled again.

BW seems, so far, to be light-years ahead of CS in the areas that matter to me most. I see great potential there.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S., I think I have learned something from my CS experience.</p>
<p>A few days ago in bewelcome.org, I saw something that looked like top-down control. I may have become jaded by my experience in CS, having come to expect the worst. I may have over-reacted by publicly expressing my concern, because I&#8217;m hypersensitive now to anything resembling CS management style. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m glad I did, because of what it revealed about BW. Within hours I got a personal email from one of the members of the Board of Directors. It was very supportive, sharing my concern, reaffirming the democratic values of BW, and informing me that an inquiry would be immediately launched. Within a few more hours there was extensive communication between myself and the 3 other people involved. They each wrote detailed explanations, gave clarifications, expressed regret for things not communicated clearly or done properly, all with a very professional, respectful and even friendly tone. The matter was completely resolved within a day.</p>
<p>Good grief: to think what I put up with in CS! But because of that, I have such great appreciation for BW now, and a growing loyalty to them. It&#8217;s rare to find such quality in the world these days. But I shouldn&#8217;t be too surprised. Many of the BW&#8217;ers had painful lessons in HC like I did in CS. So, maybe together now, we won&#8217;t get fooled again.</p>
<p>BW seems, so far, to be light-years ahead of CS in the areas that matter to me most. I see great potential there.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: matrixpoint</title>
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		<dc:creator>matrixpoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, Callum.

I learned the lesson the hard way. But I don&#039;t regret my CS experience. 

We got to see, first-hand, what doesn&#039;t work, and that should ultimately be to the benefit of whatever else we get involved in. And we helped out the hospitality community and made some good friends along the way.

CS ended up being for me a case of &quot;Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.&quot; So &quot;I&#039;ll get on my knees and pray, We don&#039;t get fooled again.&quot;

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, Callum.</p>
<p>I learned the lesson the hard way. But I don&#8217;t regret my CS experience. </p>
<p>We got to see, first-hand, what doesn&#8217;t work, and that should ultimately be to the benefit of whatever else we get involved in. And we helped out the hospitality community and made some good friends along the way.</p>
<p>CS ended up being for me a case of &#8220;Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.&#8221; So &#8220;I&#8217;ll get on my knees and pray, We don&#8217;t get fooled again.&#8221;</p>
<p>John</p>
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